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We Gave It Hell

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    unfurlingsaid 133 weeks ago

    wow...
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    Loadedkidsaid 133 weeks ago

    THE 2ND ONE ON THE RIGHT!!!!
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    stablercakesaid 133 weeks ago

    Cool up close, but the yellow/cream is way too light and washes it out from far away.

    I prefer that second one down on the right :U
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    Nnenenesaid 133 weeks ago

    Looks cool... I'll have to sleep on it. I agree about the second one on the right though. Awesome work!
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    Yathwartsaid 133 weeks ago

    Not bad, but the praying hands with the rosaries aren't my cup.
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    punkxxnvrxxdiessaid 133 weeks ago

    that is pretty smuuuuuurf cool
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    Sirknifesalotsaid 133 weeks ago

    Looks interesting but I dont' get it. I see the praying hands and all but huh?
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    sawbones84said 133 weeks ago

    macabre, nice
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    ctbeisersaid 133 weeks ago

    SO would have bought #2 on the right. That's less than 6 colours, isn't it? Yeah. But no, teefury HAS to choose the one with the skull. You're approaching nearly one of every two now.
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    nomnomnomsaid 133 weeks ago


    glorious work.
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    wringzsaid 133 weeks ago

    I really want the white shirt on the right. too bad it's not on skaicandy anymore :( the teefury design seems so different from his other designs. Also, skull.
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    said 133 weeks ago

    i like this stuff, especially the first two on the right. even his name is cool, just hearing "skaicandy" makes me think about lightning flavored food, aaand now i'm feeling hungry

    toodleoop!
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    Eppstersaid 133 weeks ago

    Aw man, I really like this. I may have to buy one.
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    GeriMarssaid 133 weeks ago

    This would be great developed as a surreal oil painting -- VERY POWERFUL imagery!
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    AlvinPingsaid 133 weeks ago

    I'm loving the color scheme on this!
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    huginsjolsaid 133 weeks ago

    This technically isn't a skull... just saying. ;)
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    IronMansaid 133 weeks ago

    This shirt is made of win.
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    electrikFrenzysaid 133 weeks ago

    Every single element is from a Go Media Arsenal Vector Set.
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    Mechsaid 133 weeks ago

    #2 would've been awesome. However, a lot of these shirts are a lot of ink to wear. I think for larger designs like that one and a lot of the "full shirt" ideas, they would be better off printed with water-based inks and the use of discharge printing for the darker shirts. Just my 2 cents.

    I like this design, but I think it reminds me of Alex Grey's work.
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    Mechsaid 133 weeks ago

    electrikFrenzy brings up a good point.
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    AirHendrixsaid 133 weeks ago

    Cool design. TONS BETTER THAN YESTERDAY!

    This has purpose and color! I love this guy's feel for his work. Cool designs, bro.
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    guitardriver6said 133 weeks ago

    @electrikfrenzy

    Can you provide a link to some of the elements that are from that vector set?
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    electrikFrenzysaid 133 weeks ago

    http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/4405/shamq.jpg
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    guitardriver6said 133 weeks ago

    I guess it is a collage of different vector elements the final presentation looks pretty good the way they are all arrange to make it a dramatic scene with things blended together....
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    electrikFrenzysaid 133 weeks ago

    As a graphic designer myself, I just quickly spotted it.
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    guitardriver6said 133 weeks ago

    He bought the rights to these vectors and did collage them together so you have to consider this an "original" work of his but I'd prefer more of a purist "hand-designed" approach to art design... o well... nice spot Electrikfrenzy!!
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    thewperrysaid 133 weeks ago

    @Yathwart I wouldn't wear it for the same reason.
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    Toonstarsaid 133 weeks ago

    Great greaaaaaaaaaaat design(as is the rest of the sideart)! Insidiously awful however on a brown coloured shirt i think. And two brown shirts in a row...?
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    huginsjolsaid 133 weeks ago

    @electrikFrenzy yeah I spotted that right away myself... Ever since I've been using those packs I spot elements all over including a band t shirt my friend was wearing. It was a relatively well known band and every element came from the vector packs just like this design.
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    KyleMittskussaid 133 weeks ago

    Second shirt on the right FTW!
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    KyleMittskussaid 133 weeks ago

    And now this is just a clip art shirt?
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    guitardriver6said 133 weeks ago

    Now I myself am not an artist but I have to ask how do you artists feel about a design made entirely from vector packs versus using them sparingly to add to an "original" design?
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    GeriMarssaid 133 weeks ago

    ElectrikFrenzy, are a lot of the designs presented here made essentially from clip art? I was under the impression that they were entirely original. Learning that they are not is somewhat disappointing to me.

    One of my friends sold one of her designs, "Poe It," several weeks back. I know that piece is 100% her own work. And I just tore my behind making a bird to contribute to TeeFury's anniversary shirt. It was my first piece of digital graphic art and I am extremely inexperienced with Photoshop. Still, I gave it my all.
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    GeriMarssaid 133 weeks ago

    I guess this shirt can then be considered "assemblage."
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    MJsaid 133 weeks ago

    Using vector packs isn't a problem, in my opinion- whatever tools you use, the artist's hand is what forms and shapes the piece and makes it worthwhile.

    Collaging is just as much an art as any other. One of my favorite artists worked in that medium (Hannah Hoch) and I know that even if I used the same raw materials as she did, I'd end up with a very different result. The images are tools, the final composition is art.

    (Your mileage may, of course, vary!)
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    Patrick Woodssaid 133 weeks ago

    I also like the second one on the right, but really, enough already with the skulls. A lot of us don't like skull shirts and its getting to the point where that is just about all you have to offer.
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    pbanditosaid 133 weeks ago

    Hmm, so when are you adding that second one on the right to the Skaicandy clothing store? Or perhaps it's time has come and gone elsewhere?
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    guitardriver6said 133 weeks ago

    Ooooh MJ I love Hoch's dada works(of course adapted from the wonderful Picasso and Braque collages) eventually leading into my favorite period of art the surrealist period... awesome art...
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    smiffysaid 133 weeks ago

    Disagree MJ. Art is the ability to draw, sculpt etc etc
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    smiffysaid 133 weeks ago

    but to be faair to the artists everyone's doing it so why not?
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    AdderXYUsaid 133 weeks ago

    I think the main difference is that a collage artist uses "found sources", while a gomedia vector pack isn't exactly, er, found. Hannah Hoch probably didn't buy a box of clippings selected for appropriateness for making a collage. She found her own sources and made something new out of them.

    But hey, I'm used to being the only one who finds a problem with these things, so don't let me crash the party.
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    guitardriver6said 133 weeks ago

    @patrick woods

    There has been a decent amount of skull shirts I count 8 in the last 80 shirt which would be about 1 in 10 are skull shirts, hardly all teefury is selling... Now I'm not the biggest fans of skull shirts but the fury has tons of other designs and lucky for you if its one you don't like check back tomorrow and I promise there'll be a new one....
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    electrikFrenzysaid 133 weeks ago

    As an artist, I don't mind if a piece uses one element or so, but I know this was made entirely from royalty free vectors, so to me it's a buzz kill. But I do agree it looks pretty cool. It's just not for me.
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    melbelsaid 133 weeks ago

    Yummy yummy yummy I've got love (and clamcakes) in my tummy!

    Maybe I am completely off my rocker... but I dont really see this one as a "skull" t shirt... I mean yeah you can see the teeth and maybe some like... muscle.. but thats more like... a head without skin.

    As for collaging... Dont threaten me with a good time!
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    GeriMarssaid 133 weeks ago

    To me, when an artist says that they "let it flow," it means that the creative work came entirely from their own hand, the same way that writers let words flow from their pens.

    In light of what I've just learned, what the artist wrote at right seems deceptive. Clip art doesn't flow. It's cut and pasted.

    I don't mean to insult anyone or question their integrity, but this is my opinion.
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    melbelsaid 133 weeks ago

    @ smiffy...
    art1  [ahrt]
    Use art in a Sentence
    noun
    1. the quality, production, expression, or realm, according to aesthetic principles, of what is beautiful, appealing, or of more than ordinary significance.

    so yeah... ur wrong.
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    guitardriver6said 133 weeks ago

    Also what made Hoch so popular was the ground baking nature of asking what is art and what her and the dadaists were able to get away with? Can I just glue news paper clippings on a work and call it art? Also one of the great parts of the collage was the many mediums used in the work from all different sources not just from one single source....
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    MJsaid 133 weeks ago

    I would disagree with that interpretation, Geri- I've heard "let it flow" in terms of a music remix, so to me it didn't feel deceptive at all. At any rate, I don't think trickery was intended, though I do understand how you feel.
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    yellowcrayon686said 133 weeks ago

    this is really beautiful artwork. i love the stuff around the head. great work!
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    GeriMarssaid 133 weeks ago

    And a "remix" is the reworking of a previously recorded composition. The person who creates the remix is an editor and/or producer, not a composer.
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    billdzrsaid 133 weeks ago

    These clip-art/vector pack questions were brought up just a few shirts ago: Til Death. That example was a bit more egregious as it featured a famous photo, albeit manipulated, as it's centerpiece.

    @GeriMars - I agree with your sentiments overall, but to be a bit more accurate "It's cut and pasted", sized, rotated, colored, layered fitted and layered some more at a minimum.

    I've always felt that a designer or decorator is good at arranging things in a pleasing manner, while an artist creates original works.
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    Wookeesaid 133 weeks ago

    MJ, I hope you get a paycheck from TF because you sure do spend a lot of time defending them on this board.

    I've been astounded at the number of shirts in this last month (since 6-19-09 never forget) that have been discovered as something other than truly original work.

    That being said, I do like this "litteral" "collage" and I'm considering buying it.
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    melbelsaid 133 weeks ago

    Anyyyyways... In my opinion... cool concept. I personally am not into like... earthy colors. No green, yellow, orange or brown. Just not my style. On that note I think it goes without saying that everything on the right hand side is right up my alley. I might even have a little crush on that robot.

    I think that we shouldnt judge what people think is art... as they say, one mans trash is another mans treasure. Just because you dont think it is art doesnt mean that it isnt. I mean come on... Im sure the first cave man that painted on a wall got his balls busted by the other cave men.
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    nomnomnomsaid 133 weeks ago

    It's still glorious.
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    MJsaid 133 weeks ago

    Wookee, I am a TeeFury curator, so I do lol :)
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    Wookeesaid 133 weeks ago

    Some guy's junk gives a woman pleasure.

    ...wait, thats not how it goes.
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    GeriMarssaid 133 weeks ago

    Melbel, as a writer, I suggest you try a Merriam-Webster dictionary.
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    melbelsaid 133 weeks ago

    Geri, as someone who doesnt give a charmeleon, either way art isnt defined as "the ability to draw, sculpt etc etc"

    but just so you dont get your panties in a twist..

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/art[2]

    1: skill acquired by experience, study, or observation
    2 a: a branch of learning: (1): one of the humanities (2)plural : liberal arts barchaic : learning, scholarship
    3: an occupation requiring knowledge or skill
    4 a: the conscious use of skill and creative imagination especially in the production of aesthetic objects ; also : works so produced b (1): fine arts (2): one of the fine arts (3): a graphic art
    5 aarchaic : a skillful plan b: the quality or state of being artful
    6: decorative or illustrative elements in printed matter
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    KyleMittskussaid 133 weeks ago

    GeriMars,

    I suggest you use better syntax when insulting someone's ability to write properly.
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    melbelsaid 133 weeks ago

    My whole point was who are you guys to say what is art and what isnt?
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    AdderXYUsaid 133 weeks ago

    Not judging art is what allows people to prefer hallmark cards to real poetry, sampled music to original songs, and Duchamp to Michelangelo.

    Basically, this idea that we cannot critique, because everything has worth, will eventually destroy art. I hope you all enjoy watching Larry the Cable Guy win an Oscar.

    As for the difference between artist and designer: All art has some semblance of design, but not all design has art. And if design is sans art, anyone with a sense of precision can do the same.
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    MJsaid 133 weeks ago

    Chill dudes, I think it might be time to agree to disagree before this gets heated.

    Everyone has their own take on what art is, and that's okay.
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    christinesaid 133 weeks ago

    Clip ART to me. I'll pass. Good eye, electrikFrenzy.
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    KyleMittskussaid 133 weeks ago

    No more lolcatz MJ? ;)

    I'm on the fence. I don't much like the shirt, but I am not a fan of the style, nor am I a huge collage fan. Whether this is art or not, eh. I can see it as art if the different pictures that were amalgamated into one came from multiple sources and had some original aspects to tie them together. The fact that these images came from a single source and don't have any originality to them at all as more of a design than a piece of art. At least the source material wasn't stolen illegally. That's a plus!!!
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    melbelsaid 133 weeks ago

    Not for nothing adder, I understand what you are trying to say... But I am sure there are alot of people out there that would rather watch Larry the Cable Guy than watch The English Patient.

    But does that make them wrong? No. People like what they like.
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    melbelsaid 133 weeks ago

    lolcatz are what make the world go round kyle.
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    AdderXYUsaid 133 weeks ago

    And that is where we disagree.

    Opinions can be wrong.
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    iwaslivingtheresaid 133 weeks ago

    This doesn't technically qualify as a skull shirt. That said, I bought it anyway.
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    MJsaid 133 weeks ago

    You know Adder, there's more to Duchamp than Readymades ;)

    Personally, I find him a much more interesting artist than Michelangelo. I'd rather look at art that challenges the way I think, and Michelangelo's more realistic and grounded work doesn't expand my horizons like Duchamp does.
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    bkentsaid 133 weeks ago

    i like this shirt...but i really like the last shirt on the right, the skull.
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    nomnomnomsaid 133 weeks ago

    watch Jules et Jim and then talk about art.
    This is shirt is still Glorious.
    Now here's a photobomb.

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    melbelsaid 133 weeks ago

    Okay... but who decides whats wrong? Just because something didnt win an Oscar doesnt make it a bad movie...


    But WHOOO KNOOOOWS opinions are like bellybuttons everyone has one!!

    I will go with MJ and say agree to disagree.
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    GeriMarssaid 133 weeks ago

    As expressed earlier in this thread, I'm merely stating my opinion.

    Melbel, I never said that the work above fails to qualify as art. It's just not entirely Skaicandy's original art. There is a difference.

    Skaicandy claims to be a "surreal artist." Maybe so, but not in this case. Billdzr is right. Skaicandy acted mainly as a designer/decorator, not artist.
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    TUGGBUSSsaid 133 weeks ago

    @GeriMars

    From a fellow writer to another: please don't use the "I'm a writer" qualification to put other people down. That's just lame.
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    silruinsaid 133 weeks ago

    I'll agree with what Geri said farther up there and call this an 'assemblage'... still, it reeks of the Olechka incident. I'm not entirely impressed.

    Still a gorgeous design, though.
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    melbelsaid 133 weeks ago

    No it wasnt you that said it... it was someone above :)

    No worries.
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    AdderXYUsaid 133 weeks ago

    Whatever else he did doesn't make the urinal art, though. That is the issue. What do people think of when they think Duchamp? A urinal.

    It is obvious this particular artist is able to do things other than use gomedia, but that is not what has been served up. So someone can go on and on about how great the guy is at what he does, but if it is so easily spotted as a gomedia vector pack, it can't be claimed as art, and I feel there should be a certain level of integrity to that sort of thing. There are hundreds of shirt designers making shirts with their own lines, taking their own photos, finding their own elements, and creating something people can't source immediately. I would like to think I'm not the only person who would rather those people get printed.

    Don't get me wrong, I love some avant garde stuff, and love things that can open my mind, but to me this sort of tee is indefensible. This DOESN'T expand anyone's horizons, unless you formerly thought all shirt-art needed to be your own handiwork. And on the other end of the horizon, when you get to the point where you try to pass off a piece of toilet as art, without altering it or making it your own, you go past expanding horizons and try to create a horizon where there is none, and hope no one calls you out on there not really being one. And no matter what your other art is like, it doesn't make that kind of pretension suddenly artistic instead of purely pretentious.
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    peppersagooddogsaid 133 weeks ago

    a do do do
    a da da da
    thats all i have to say to you.
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    GeriMarssaid 133 weeks ago

    Kyle, I was NOT insulting Melbel's ability to write. The first definition she posted seemed very limited and appeared to me to be from an unreliable source. That is why I suggested using Merriam-Webster's dictionary.

    I'm expressing a differing opinion. How is that a personal insult to anyone save, perhaps, the "designer" of this shirt?
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    melbelsaid 133 weeks ago

    no more fighting unless its a... PILLOW FIGHT!!!
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    melbelsaid 133 weeks ago

    just on a side note... my first definition was from dictionary.com :)
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    peppersagooddogsaid 133 weeks ago

    well there you go then. art never counts when its found online, therefore definitions cannot be found online either. pika this place, the internets are closed minded.

    or wait.

    calling something art that is but a picture of someone elses art... thats like publishing a picture of a sculpture. people just dont DO that, cause its naughty.

    right?
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    GeriMarssaid 133 weeks ago

    I am not a fan of that site.
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    GeriMarssaid 133 weeks ago

    Wrong on all counts, Peppersagooddog.
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    huginsjolsaid 133 weeks ago

    Adder, tbh when I think Duchamp I think of nude descending a staircase before the readymades.
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    AdderXYUsaid 133 weeks ago

    I would not call a picture of art art. I would argue photography can be art, but if you're photographing someone else's art, it eventually just becomes recursive and ridiculous.

    Like collage, you need to capture something special to make photographs art. If there is no limit to what can be considered art, the word art is pointless to even exist.
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    peppersagooddogsaid 133 weeks ago

    my post was sarcasm.


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    BladderABUsaid 133 weeks ago

    I think the main difference is that a collage artist uses "found sources", while a gomedia vector pack isn't exactly, er, found.

    The issue here is that even if a designer used "found sources," everyone would still complain as if the shirt industry as a whole were about to collapse. I am utterly amazed at how good everyone here is at sourcing "found" elements of a design. I agree that using elements directly from a vector pack is easier than finding outside sources, but like MJ said, it is how they are modified and arranged as a cohesive whole that makes the design original.

    Having said that, however, I raise a question: Had the designer sourced images from other sources more, err, "difficult" to manage, say out-of-copyright, public domain, or any other type of source that usually exists as massive libraries requiring a lot of sorting through, and modified them to the extent as did Skaicandy, would there still be issues?
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    peppersagooddogsaid 133 weeks ago

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    melbelsaid 133 weeks ago

    Oh well Geri if you dont like the site well then that must mean that no one should use it. Everyone! Dictionary.com does not have good definitions!
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    TUGGBUSSsaid 133 weeks ago

    @melbel

    Well, I think he means that Merriam-Webster gives more definitions, and more specific definitions, than dictionary.com does. In that way, I agree that M-W is a better dictionary...but dictionary.com is usually fine too. No need to be elitistic about an online dictionary, I say.
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    GeriMarssaid 133 weeks ago

    No, *I* find the Merriam-Webster site to be better. And the topic is the t-shirt and now, apparently, what constitutes "art."
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    GeriMarssaid 133 weeks ago

    And Tug, please, don't let my kryptonite balls fool you. I am a she, not a he.
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    MJsaid 133 weeks ago

    Another reminder: no personal attacks. (Also, no Carrot Top.)
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    peppersagooddogsaid 133 weeks ago

    LOL

    fine.

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    Sirknifesalotsaid 133 weeks ago

    smuuuuuurf. All you art people on here with degrees and such and still no answer as to what art is? My guess would be art is different to everyone. What people might find to be art might just be someone elses soup can. Bloody pokemon .... this president is going for a smoke.
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    Skaicandysaid 133 weeks ago

    To speak in my own defense, art is all opinionated. I never tried to say that the elements in this design were hand drawn by me, and I never would say that it was. This is an old design from me, and I merely used what I had at my disposal at the time to create something that is appealing to the eye.

    The majority of the people who dislike this shirt dislike it for one of two reasons: its made from purely vector elements, or because they don't like the "skull". Nothing about it being visually unappealing has been mentioned, so isn't that the essence of art (or even design)? To create something visually appealing using elements available to the artist/designer in a creative and imaginative way.

    Also, what constitutes as art is whatever you think is art. There is NO right or wrong answer, ever. If you think its art (or not), then its art (or not), no one has the right to say otherwise because its your opinion. The great thing about art is there are no black and white areas. Apart from straight up thievery, which using royalty free vectors is not. However, again it is your opinion to think that such a design is art or not, I'm not going to argue about that.
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    AdderXYUsaid 133 weeks ago

    The issue here is that even if a designer used "found sources," everyone would still complain as if the shirt industry as a whole were about to collapse. I am utterly amazed at how good everyone here is at sourcing "found" elements of a design. I agree that using elements directly from a vector pack is easier than finding outside sources, but like MJ said, it is how they are modified and arranged as a cohesive whole that makes the design original.

    Having said that, however, I raise a question: Had the designer sourced images from other sources more, err, "difficult" to manage, say out-of-copyright, public domain, or any other type of source that usually exists as massive libraries requiring a lot of sorting through, and modified them to the extent as did Skaicandy, would there still be issues?

    It's not about the shirt industry, and that is the main mistake people make. It's not about INDUSTRY at all. It is about trying to maintain artistic integrity in the consumer age. About what deserves respect and what is nothing more than product. About whether a site which purports to sell art of any sort has an obligation to that authenticity, as opposed to simply raking in cash.

    The fact is, anyone can create from their own hands. ANYONE. They aren't necessarily skilled artists, but they can be creative from their own sweat and effort. And then someone comes in, takes what someone else did painstakingly, and gets the prize, so to speak. Obviously Joe Gomedia doesn't care, but real artists and art admirers should. Because perfection isn't necessary in art, but creativity is. ANY of your competitors can make a similar piece if you use vectors. If you use your own hand and mind, no one is going to get your inspiration exact. I don't understand why anyone would use someone else's work and still consider themselves artistic.

    People can do a lot with found art. But the key word is "do a lot". Putting in the extra effort to find just the right elements would indeed be appreciated and likely take the flack off a collage artist, but never all of it. There is a lot to be said for actually doing your own work, and praising a collage so heavily is sending a message to people making their own work from scratch: you are outdated. But if you are doing something unique and special that truly works, with items you selected specifically for how well they work together, then you can much more easily claim art and be believed and respected for your piece. If, as many people have claimed, this is entirely GoMedia, then there was literally no real effort put in. All the elements were pre-packaged for use with each other. Please explain how that is artistic.
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    Sirknifesalotsaid 133 weeks ago

    Wow Skaicandy said what I said. :D
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    AdderXYUsaid 133 weeks ago

    Since the artist wishes to hear something about the general appeal of the piece based not on the elements he used, but on its visual appeal regardless of whether he created it, I will be generous and be the first to volunteer:

    The massive smudge of mustard yellow down the center makes the entire thing look messy, especially from afar.
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    peppersagooddogsaid 133 weeks ago

    this thread was fun for a while. but now its tired.


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    AdderXYUsaid 133 weeks ago

    I suppose I should specify "dijon mustard".
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    melbelsaid 133 weeks ago

    Alright before everyone starts to get vicious I am going to bed..

    Everyone, try not to kill each other tonight. Lets all remember... its just a tshirt site. There will be a new shirt to argue about in 21 hours so save some fire for then.

    Lets let the poor curators sleep a few hours tonight without having to have nightmares about lolcatz and insulting/harsh comments.

    Pepper... I look forward to the battle of lolcatz tomorrow night.

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    Sirknifesalotsaid 133 weeks ago

    Hehehe. Definitely lovin Peppers. *hugs*
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    nomnomnomsaid 133 weeks ago

    For MJ, who puts up with the madness.
    I am amazed by your patience ..
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    MJsaid 133 weeks ago

    To me, being artistic is about being able to create beauty or meaning. This design has that in a way the individual elements used never did.

    I respect people who create, regardless of what (legal) tools they use to do so.

    Also, on a personal note, it bums me out when people denigrate design. This industry is called Apparel Design. People who put their work on shirts are called Shirt Designers. What is so wrong about designing a tee instead of illustrating it? Different tools, both capable of making something wearable and fun. Claiming that the only reason one would design instead of illustrate is to rake in cash is pretty insulting.
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    Sirknifesalotsaid 133 weeks ago

    OMG no more lolcatz. Seriously... last night crashed Firefox on me cause there were too many pics on one page.
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    Sirknifesalotsaid 133 weeks ago

    MJ has patience because she's been heavily sedated. :D
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    peppersagooddogsaid 133 weeks ago

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    Sirknifesalotsaid 133 weeks ago

    Peppers NO! Bad!!! ... goth???
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    peppersagooddogsaid 133 weeks ago

    ok im done. i will leave all my loling for twitter or bloggin now so people can choose to see them or not. :)
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    BladderABUsaid 133 weeks ago

    People can do a lot with found art. But the key word is "do a lot". Putting in the extra effort to find just the right elements would indeed be appreciated and likely take the flack off a collage artist, but never all of it.

    So, in essence, people can "do a lot," but it is never enough. At least, never enough to deserve the same amount of praise/respect/"props" that one would get had they designed completely from scratch.

    I can get with that.
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    peppersagooddogsaid 133 weeks ago

    it is a dark sort of avatar isnt it?
    no, im just one of those old mean punk rock skin head left overs from decades ago...
    my kind of people arent really around anymores lol
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    nomnomnomsaid 133 weeks ago

    lol @ Sirk - firefox was gasping for aire by 9pm tonight.. it has gone too far. I also think MJ deserves a raise for putting up with this.
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    Sirknifesalotsaid 133 weeks ago

    Mean? You do lolcats though. Your avatar looks like you have hair too. :P
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    melbelsaid 133 weeks ago

    I think it was all the flashing ones that killed it. the night before we didnt seem to have a problem...

    Okay im going to bed now... riiiighttt.....NOW!
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    Sirknifesalotsaid 133 weeks ago

    I was actually going to save yesterday as a complete webpage but the MB's just kept climbing and climbing. Eeeeeeeek!
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    nomnomnomsaid 133 weeks ago

    Did yesterday surpass the dead inside thread? I think it might have.
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    peppersagooddogsaid 133 weeks ago

    one could always just visit my photobucket. most of them already live there.
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    Sirknifesalotsaid 133 weeks ago

    @nomnomnom.... I'm pretty sure it did. We went drunk with power yesterday.
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    Sirknifesalotsaid 133 weeks ago

    Not the ones I was putting up peppers. I was doing a lot of random linking.
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    illegallydeadsaid 133 weeks ago

    Ok, my 2 in the "art" debate. I am not sure that anyone can say what is "art" and what is "design". When it comes down to it, all of it can be considered, "art", but in this case we can all certainly knock the "artist" for being a tad bit lazy in finding his sources with which to "design".

    For those talking about Larry the Cable Guy: that is NOT art, that is entertainment. It's goal is to be as enjoyable as possible to as many people as possible. Art is there for the artist to express themselves, their world view, what is on their mind, etc.

    Photography / Film is a very grey area indeed. While taking a picture of a sculpture is certainly not art, would one call it artistic when one frames the subject, the sculpture, in an innovative way? Perhaps shoots with an "artistic" filter, or with a creative use of DOF or focus? One way or another it is harder to argue for film/photos as art, as they are, originally, a perfect recreation of nature, not created by man, as all art is. I say that once man takes that perfect representation of nature and tweaks it, it can become art.

    Anyway, that is enough weighing in for me tonight. And let me say that a lot of these "Fails" and lolcats are hilarious. Especially the Firefox :D
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    peppersagooddogsaid 133 weeks ago

    Photobucket


    i think i shall wander off now.
    gn furians.
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    nomnomnomsaid 133 weeks ago

    @ Sirk
    LOL drunk on power.. Maybe I was high on power.. Either way I'd like to think the gifs are like the side show to Teefer's main stage. The Tito to their Michael. The Sundance Kid to their Butch. The aids to their lemon. ...

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    Fat Possomsaid 133 weeks ago

    Whoa... what the pokemon did I step into here? Are we blowing up another rip off? Lame.

    I would have nabbed the robot shirt without even thinking about it, regardless of who created it. I want. Where do I find?
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    CPUT99said 133 weeks ago

    I can't keep up with the posts on here lately... In regards to the tee shirt itself I thought it was a decent design up front, but that yellow color bothers me...

    And blablabla. I understand the immediate skepticism/digging to "prove" whether someone has been super original with their shirt or not but it seems to have been turned up a few notches on the "prove then lambaste" level as of the past week...

    Waiting for the collab shirt!
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    Isosaid 133 weeks ago

    Another skull...
    Like the side art though! The tie-robot!
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    JesusAlmightysaid 133 weeks ago

    art and the definition of it is always changing. from the medium of it, to the style. it all depends on who the viewer is and his or her opinion of "art." i am sure that people made fun of the artist using lime and plaster back in the day. but still, it was considered art. i agree with those who say art is opinionated. if i were to post a picture of a line a dot on a canvas next to a picture of M.C Escher, everyone would have a different opinion. u get one of those very analytical artist and they'll discover a meaning behind the dot and line.

    love the design btw

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    kenesaid 133 weeks ago

    Zanshinnda!
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    meh6969said 133 weeks ago

    I love the first on on the right...so should ahve gone that route.
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    Jestiksaid 133 weeks ago

    I don't read through the comments anymore. I come, I check the shirt, I buy it if I like it. If not, I move on. The comments threads have devolved into a daily quagmire of negativity I could do without. Always an argument, always accusations, and a plea for a dead bird shirt.

    Ugh.
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    xylotismsaid 133 weeks ago

    "electrikFrenzy said 6 hours ago
    As an artist, I don't mind if a piece uses one element or so, but I know this was made entirely from royalty free vectors, so to me it's a buzz kill. But I do agree it looks pretty cool. It's just not for me."


    That.

    TF needs a dedicated authenticity investigator.
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    oddfishiesaid 133 weeks ago

    Am I the only one who sees an alien within this design? The cheekbone hole is the eye of an alien...
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    Scarahsaid 133 weeks ago

    I wouldn't call this a skull, some of you people are just looking for things to whine about.

    It's not really my style but I enjoy the bats around the top!
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    HeyReputahsaid 133 weeks ago

    Skaicandy:

    you're wicked talented, dude. i love all your work. i love this one too! don't be discouraged by a community that generally loves to bicker (myself included). i would absolutely be in for this one except the hands/rosary beads don't jive with my religion and i'd hear about it from my mother...

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    HeyReputahsaid 133 weeks ago

    there was a heart at the bottom of that post but teevil must have eaten it.
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    plainsaid 133 weeks ago

    I would rather you give it Tony Hale: BUSTER!!!!
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    rouricksaid 133 weeks ago

    i absolutey love this shirt, but i've decided i can't buy from teefury anymore because Alstyle shirts just don't fit me at all. The men's mediums are super tight in the chest and underarms, and the larges are huge on me. i do still visit the site everyday to enjoy the art, though, and this is quite enjoyable!
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    PrinceFiyer0said 133 weeks ago

    Ugh... sometimes people say the silliest things... It's amazing how when you give people a forum to speak, people begin to think that they have an inalienable right to critique(and know what they're talking about). Great piece of work man. Nice use of the crows, and the colors are awesome! You made that vector pack work for you.

    I've seen a trend. Everyone likes to complain about the shirt being sold, but loves to compliment side art. I think it'd be interesting to see if everyone would complain as much about that 2nd shirt down if it were up for sale today...
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    yeah_detroitsaid 133 weeks ago

    i think using brushes and vectorpacks is okay, but if the whole image or the main object is composed of this stuff only, it's not self-made anymore.

    ...anyway this shirt is not mine at all. saw this kind of grunge stuff to often.

    but i must say, that the white shirt on the right is pretty cool!
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    FuzzyLogicsaid 133 weeks ago


    Hey Arek...
    reading all your posts from the past few days.
    Why nothing positive to say? Why not stay on topic about the shirts and say something about THEM instead of complaining about how everyone is going off topic.
    That's one good way to get back on topic.

    Man, I love that Robot T!
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    FuzzyLogicsaid 133 weeks ago

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    Just lick on the picture of this T to purchase.
    Heck Yes! Metallic Ink too!
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    oldfunkdudesaid 133 weeks ago

    It's the moral equivalent of a skull...
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    Kjelldonsaid 133 weeks ago

    Boo skull.

    If it's a human head and you can see bone, it's a skull.
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    FuzzyLogicsaid 133 weeks ago

    Conflicting comments, Kjelldon.
    Odd.

    Anyway, bummer about the robot shirt and other SkaiCandy shirts.
    Only available in S,M,L
    No XL.
    Bummed.
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    stablercakesaid 133 weeks ago

    Alright I know someone said it like a long time ago, but Duchamp is a goddam genius. You know why the urinal is art? Because he was crafty enough to make everyone believe it was art. THAT'S what's brilliant about Duchamp, he could take rattata he found, put it together in a more interesting way or just put it on a table sideways, label it art and people believed him. He wasn't making new art, he was pushing the envelope on what art defined. Without Duchamp I don't think the pop art movement would have been as successful. He wanted you to look at every day things in a different way and understand that almost anything can be art.

    Not to mention I had a love affair with "Nude Descending a Staircase No.2".
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    stablercakesaid 133 weeks ago

    Well, at least it was censored to "stupendous" instead of some other pokemon.
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    mondoburgersaid 133 weeks ago

    love it
    just bought one


    -i have a crush on melbel-
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    melbelsaid 133 weeks ago

    @illegally dead-- "Art is there for the artist to express themselves, their world view, what is on their mind, etc." id say that is the perfect definition of stand up comedy... the comics expressing themselves, their view of the world and what is on their mind....
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    HeyReputahsaid 133 weeks ago

    i thought i'd try my hand at posting a lol-worthy picture.
    plus, i stayed within the teefury bird theme, SO i rule.

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    booya!
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    pbanditosaid 133 weeks ago

    Is that from Nick Cage's new film?
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    guitardriver6said 133 weeks ago

    @huginsjol

    Exactly how I feel about Duchamp or The Large Glass what many considered to be the work that would end art.... He is much more than the readymades specifically The Fountain....
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    lashtaylorsaid 133 weeks ago

    The design is awesome. Unfortunately I can't pull off brown. If the print were slightly bigger and on a black tee, it would be a definite buy for me.
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    benditlikebenjiisaid 133 weeks ago

    I like this shirt.

    Personally, I don't care if the artist used a vector set. Sure, it's the easy way out of something and it's not as original, but the vector set didn't come out looking like this shirt. The artist put it together, and in a quite aesthetically pleasing way, I might add. That alone takes talent. Artists make shirts to share beautiful art with people, not to trick them into buying something because they took the easy way out.

    Why is everyone complaining about skulls? They may get tiresome after a while, but at least there's always another shirt tomorrow.

    As for the other shirts on the side, I'm also impressed. The point of the shirts on the side is to show the artist's diversity. Instead of only thinking "hey, this guy only uses designs with vector sets", it's just one shirt. However, I do think that all shirts featured on the sides should be available.
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    MJsaid 133 weeks ago

    For the posters who had questions about TeeFury's moderation: TeeFury Posting Guidelines
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    electrikFrenzysaid 133 weeks ago

    I don't know if I'm happy or sad that my original comment sparked all this.
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    L3g3ndQsaid 133 weeks ago

    I feel sorry for Teefury.. all these lame people trying to pass other peoples art off as their own. Shame on yall, geez. i kinda liked the shirt at first but the yellowish color was a turnoff for me then the hands killed it... then i read it was just cut and pasted together using clip art (basically) how lame is that?? yea it looks cool but once you see the original images it kinda loses its luster and just looks like anyone can do it. any ways that's my .02 B^) cant wait for tomorrow!!! B^)
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    spastasticnomadicsaid 133 weeks ago

    Too much of a clipart feel for me to wear. I much prefer hand-drawn, original works. Not to mention that the skinless dude would have his creepy mouth much too close to my nippleregion.
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    HeyReputahsaid 133 weeks ago

    L3g3ndQ
    said 7 minutes ago
    I feel sorry for Teefury.. all these lame people trying to pass other peoples art off as their own. Shame on yall, geez. i kinda liked the shirt at first but the yellowish color was a turnoff for me then the hands killed it... then i read it was just cut and pasted together using clip art (basically) how lame is that?? yea it looks cool but once you see the original images it kinda loses its luster and just looks like anyone can do it.

    gotta respectfully disagree, dude. someone posted the vectors and they look nothing like the finished product. the artist took the time to study them to see what was the most aesthetically pleasing, changed the coloring and placement, etc. he made it his own. i like it, and without the religious representation i would have snagged it.
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    MJsaid 133 weeks ago

    People who think making great artwork out of vector sets is easy: try it. I'm totally serious. Some people can, some people can't. I feel like I can draw a pretty decent shirt, but when I try to make a good one out of vector packs, I struggle a lot. Composition is a skill, and using vectors in composition is another skill on top of that. I don't have that skill, but from reading some of these comments you'd think that it's somehow as easy as breathing.

    Example: good fonts are easily accessible and everyone uses them. But many people (I might even say most!) use them in horrible, ugly ways. And there's less of a learning curve to using a font than there is to assembling a design with vectors.
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    FuzzyLogicsaid 133 weeks ago

    It's a bummer that so many people are talking rattata.gif

    It was much nicer when people came here to have fun.
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    PwnStarsaid 133 weeks ago

    I would have bought all of his side work. but not this one. ugh. happens every single time.
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    FuzzyLogicsaid 133 weeks ago

    *ahem*

    It's a shame that so many people are talking poo.gif
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    melbelsaid 133 weeks ago

    I just want to say that everyone who thinks that it is so easy and that they can do a better job... go for it. Create something.. submit it. If it is picked maybe you will make a few bucks or maybe a few people will treat you like you are treating this artist and you will realize how crappy it feels. A lot (but not all) of these negative comments are not constructive criticism.. theyre just mean.
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    electrikFrenzysaid 133 weeks ago


    MJ
    said 19 minutes ago
    People who think making great artwork out of vector sets is easy: try it. I'm totally serious. Some people can, some people can't. I feel like I can draw a pretty decent shirt, but when I try to make a good one out of vector packs, I struggle a lot. Composition is a skill, and using vectors in composition is another skill on top of that. I don't have that skill, but from reading some of these comments you'd think that it's somehow as easy as breathing.

    Example: good fonts are easily accessible and everyone uses them. But many people (I might even say most!) use them in horrible, ugly ways. And there's less of a learning curve to using a font than there is to assembling a design with vectors.

    I totally agree with you here. I think the only people who have the right to have even the slightest beef with this shirt are artists who have seen or used these elements before. The composition on this shirt is great and it looks good.
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    CamoCustomsaid 133 weeks ago

    I Like the artwork, and the collaboration of elements. Its a cool design, although I do not like the hands in a praying fashion. Gonna pass on this one.

    On a side note, I think there are many users on here from the younger crowd. These days its cool to think and do like others, not themselves. The youth today wouldnt know art was if it slapped them in the face. Art is what each person makes of it, I can take a pen, draw 3 lines on a piece of paper and call it art. EVERYTHING is a piece of art in one way shape or form.
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    melbelsaid 133 weeks ago

    If it makes you feel better I am young and I like to think for myself :) and I agree with you 100000% about how everything is a piece of art.

    My favorite piece of art is a lone crunchy leaf in the fall :)
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    Muntoesaid 133 weeks ago

    Whether it was made with a vector pack or not, I still wouldn't buy this shirt because everything looks cramped in and probably very messy far away to me. Still, the colors are very mellow and would probably work for something else that could be amazing, but I'm not partial to this design. Besides, if nobody likes the fact that this shirt isn't original or whatever, don't buy it! The sales will show that it wasn't popular anyway.
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    Goosaid 133 weeks ago

    I don't get this shirt. Where are the pants that go (goes) with it?
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    Oiseausaid 133 weeks ago

    great choice of colors
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    thejakeyl88said 133 weeks ago

    Yeah exactly, look at what happened to shirt.woot. Nothing but silly cartoon kid shirts. Just look at any entertainment today, movies, music, its all just made to be something everyone can follow and feel cool about the fact that they like it like everyone else in the crowd does. Movies today have nothing but visual effects, in your face style to keep these ADHD gimme gimme now type kids of today. If its not in your face like that, they don't get the movie and think it socks or get bored. They don't understand anything unless its texting or consuming.
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    CPUT99said 133 weeks ago

    Can anyone clarify whose doodles will be appearing on the shirt tomorrow? Or do I have to wait til 10PM tonight >_
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    melbelsaid 133 weeks ago

    Hmph.
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    melbelsaid 133 weeks ago

    Who is the phantom commenter? lol
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    lithiumconradsaid 133 weeks ago

    I miss shirts like the lumber jack one or vectorlicious.

    That 2nd shirt on the side is pretty sweet.
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    FuzzyLogicsaid 133 weeks ago


    melbel
    said 52 minutes ago
    Who is the phantom commenter? lol

    That person is a STOCKer! Following behind people in the bushes! :D
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    KyleMittskussaid 133 weeks ago

    I have just one thing to say about the "art" question. My persepctive comes form literature since that's my world; composition art is not.

    We are now living in a post modern world, some would argue post-post modern world (that one desperately needs a new title) and in it, everyone can be right. The problem with that logic is that it inherently allows for no one to be right. See how circular it becomes?

    I "read" a "story" in a collection and it was titled, "Some Things Are Better Left Unsaid," and the "story" was about 16 blank pages. Literature? Certainly debatable.

    From a cultural-historical perspective, there is a pretty awesome historian by the name of Jacques Barzun. In his book, "From Dawn to Decadence" that is about Western culture from 1500-present, he describes the current "post-post modern" aesthetic "absurdism."

    I apologize that this has gotten so off topic from this shirt, but the "Art" debate fascinates me since it has been going on for literally as long as people have been creating. Some huge movers in the debate are Matthew Arnold, Harold Bloom, Samuel Beckett, Virginia Woolf, James Joyce, and currently Dave Eggers -- all from a literary perspective, of course.
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    KyleMittskussaid 133 weeks ago

    Apparently, my first sentence was a dirty dirty lie because I said wayyyy more than one thing. :)
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    FuzzyLogicsaid 133 weeks ago

    L3g3ndQ
    said 4 hours ago
    I feel sorry for Teefury.. all these lame people trying to pass other peoples art off as their own.


    Heh. 2 posts after the guidelines specifically say to not berate the artists.

    This, officially, isn't a fun place to talk anymore.
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    cardinalgoldsteinsaid 133 weeks ago

    Let us pray.
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    2thFairysaid 133 weeks ago

    @ melbel "My favorite piece of art is a lone crunchy leaf in the fall :)"

    My favorite piece of art right now is a drumstick from KFC. I am HUNGRY!!

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    melbelsaid 133 weeks ago

    Fuzzy... u took the words right out of my mouth...

    ... im even scared to post an lolcat for fear of getting yelled at.


    2thfairy (love the name)
    -Now I want KFC!
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    jimiyosaid 133 weeks ago

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    FuzzyLogicsaid 133 weeks ago

    "preparing leaders for the transformation of society."

    _Scary_

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    FuzzyLogicsaid 133 weeks ago

    Thanks, jimiyo.
    Brightening up the afternoon. :)
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    melbelsaid 133 weeks ago

    eek the devil!!!!

    Ill have to even this out...

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    melbelsaid 133 weeks ago

    and not for nothing... but we cant get in trouble for changing the top... because its been way more than 2 hours since the shirt came on :)

    Hey jimiyo and fuzzy...
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    nomnomnomsaid 133 weeks ago

    @Melbel
    You're so emo.. But my favorite piece of art? Watching the snow fall in Chicago.



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    melbelsaid 133 weeks ago

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    nomnomnomsaid 133 weeks ago

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    KyleMittskussaid 133 weeks ago

    OH NOS... NOT AGEN!!!
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    nomnomnomsaid 133 weeks ago

    this is my last.

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    melbelsaid 133 weeks ago

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    stablercakesaid 133 weeks ago

    @CPUT-

    That's exactly my point! The brilliance isn't the art itself, it's the man behind it that MADE YOU BELIEVE IT WAS ART! I find it fascinating myself, not because the art is so intriguing, it's not. I mean, even though I'm sure it took skill for Andy Warhol to paint a can of soup, he STILL MADE PEOPLE BELIEVE IT WAS ART! And most of that was a ploy to get people to see art in every day life and look at it a new way, but that's not really my point. I think it's AMAZING that these people who just found stuff and very little to it them told people it was art to basically just call the art community a GIANT DOOF when they believed them.

    ...maybe I'm alone in that :C

    I agree though, this design is far from pop art or dada. Pop art and dada was at least interesting in an art sense because no one had seen it before. I've seen tons of people throw together free vector art for personal gain, stores do it all the time. It's still just vector art no matter how you arrange it. True, it technically slides under "collage", but it's really a painfully amateur take on it.

    Also no more lolcats, it takes forever to load on my page @ _@
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    melbelsaid 133 weeks ago

    stablercake...

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    FuzzyLogicsaid 133 weeks ago

    Weird timing.
    Some friend of mine tells me I should shave mine and leave the beard.
    I think I'd look even MORE goofy.
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    CPUT99said 133 weeks ago

    sorry to burst your bubble stabler but I wasn't the one who said that haha... I've been relatively quiet in this thread. It must have been another phantom person who forget to login/had their account/posting in a limbo state...
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    melbelsaid 133 weeks ago

    weird... not into the chinstrap look.


    (like the artist from yesterday or the day before)
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    CPUT99said 133 weeks ago

    Am I letting cats out of bags? Hey, speaking of cats it's more on-topic than LOLcats, though...

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    smuuuuuurf, didn't make the first cut... hoping mine found a home on one of the later (hopefully sooner than later though!) ones. Congrats to those whose work is on the first Birfday tee.
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    CPUT99said 133 weeks ago

    I understand if that comment gets deleted... blablabla. Time to go bowling!!! D:
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    melbelsaid 133 weeks ago

    fuzzy... i see ur future...
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    FuzzyLogicsaid 133 weeks ago

    smuuuuuurf. Nice preview. I saved the pic.

    Mine had trouble getting read. [the submission I sent]
    Now I'm even more paranoid that it won't make it.
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    FuzzyLogicsaid 133 weeks ago

    @melbel.
    It depends on the guy. But I have to agree for the most part.
    Man, the beard is gettin' bushy. Almost entering Mountain Man status.
    *chuckle*
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    FuzzyLogicsaid 133 weeks ago

    @melbel. My Future? No! Please no! Like I'd need THAT to look even more goofy! Holy Sheep balls!
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    melbelsaid 133 weeks ago

    okay i have an idea... shave the mustache and tattoo on a monopoly man mustache!
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    FuzzyLogicsaid 133 weeks ago

    Bahahahaha.

    I am running out of real estate tho!
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    melbelsaid 133 weeks ago

    In that case...

    do not pass go. do not collect $200
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    Sirknifesalotsaid 133 weeks ago

    OOOH art arguements. Glad I missed it. Everything's art. Get over it. Just like everything can be turned into a weapon if you think hard enough. :D
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    Sirknifesalotsaid 133 weeks ago

    One person's art is another person's toilet. Can that be the title for today's comment section?
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    MajorBluntzsaid 133 weeks ago

    id rather have the robot tee on the right side and smoke a joint while i do the robot.
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    melbelsaid 133 weeks ago

    ...u want to have sex with a robot?
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    billdzrsaid 133 weeks ago

    The standard for identifying art is at least as subjective as the comment Justice Stewart made when assessing the government's ability to define indecency as it related to pornography: "I know it when I see it."

    Oddly enough, later courts honed the Roth definition further by focusing on the "average person, applying contemporary community standards" model. which we are dealing with here at TF. A small community, though I don't believe exactly average, debating something so subjective and personal that it tends to be a permanently unresolved circular arguement.

    My purchasing decisions, however, are almost always made instantly. My flavor of "art"--I guess I know it when I see it...
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    Sirknifesalotsaid 133 weeks ago

    Just got a jimiyo and wotto shirt on DBH for cheap. SWEET!
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    Mr.Xsaid 133 weeks ago

    I think this shirt is pretty cool. Who gives a flying foot if he used vector package or whatnot. People seem to try to find ways to insult one another and the designer on this site. It gets tiresome.
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    Metriksaid 133 weeks ago

    "Every single element is from a Go Media Arsenal Vector Set."

    Thats what I was going to post until I started scrolling down lol. Looks like someone beat me to it.
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    adamsw216said 133 weeks ago

    @melbel

    hahaha! I think they meant The Robot as in the dance.
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    melbelsaid 133 weeks ago

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    yuronovasaid 133 weeks ago

    Phew! Got it with just 2 minutes left!
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    adamsw216said 133 weeks ago

    -_______-
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    JIKsaid 118 weeks ago

    This artwork looks familiar, maybe a clip-art "media" site... Consumers don't know that thou...