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The Great Orphan Works War

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terrible color for the girls shirt - jasminee

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    kennyboysaid 167 weeks ago

    1st!!!
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    user1said 167 weeks ago

    ? hate it.
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    KyleMittskussaid 167 weeks ago

    I really don't like the messages of the two designs with text and I don't dig the style.
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    nation_mckinleysaid 167 weeks ago

    I would've liked it better if it didn't have the words and nautical stars. The color for the girls shirt is really terrible because the flag is distorted in color. No buy, sorry. :/
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    LakerChic7272said 167 weeks ago

    blargh. i waited up for this?
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    christinesaid 167 weeks ago

    This has Timothy McVeigh written all over it. Big pass. Good luck to the artist and his apparent (judging from the stuff on the side) anger issues.
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    AdderXYUsaid 167 weeks ago

    I'm not entirely sure if the Shepard Fairey example is saying that this legislation would make his work legit or prevent his work from existing. This is an important variable for me, as I find Fairey's work the antithesis of art.
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    CountRimjobsaid 167 weeks ago

    Not a fan of the t design, its a bit busy without being original, however i do like the pictures on the side.
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    knickerbockerssaid 167 weeks ago

    Wow, what a bunch of assholes. Obviously, since this t-shirt doesn't have random-ass birds or similarly spastic smurf plastered all over it, it can't be good.
    To the artist- I dig your style, and I especially like the "art is power" one.
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    Kelamitysaid 167 weeks ago

    How does this educate exactly?
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    KyleMittskussaid 167 weeks ago

    @ KnickerBockers, because yesterday's shirt, that was rather praised, was composed of birds and "spastic smurf"?
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    dmnysaid 167 weeks ago

    Please explain how this shirt "has Timothy McVeigh written all over it" christine.
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    CountRimjobsaid 167 weeks ago

    i guess the comment box is only for positive feedback then?
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    knickerbockerssaid 167 weeks ago

    I didn't see yesterday's shirt. And I'm sure most of the shirts you buy are sprinkled with animals.
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    illegallydeadsaid 167 weeks ago

    Overall nice work. I do agree that the Girls' color does not work all that well since it drowns out the stripes on the flag...

    And I have a feeling that most of the disagreement over the "design" has little to do with the design itself or the skill of the artist, but rather with politics. This shirt has a bit of a "right-wing" feel to it, which apparently makes it inherently bad to most of the people here who seem to be left-leaning. Being "open-minded" and "free" means accepting the stuff that doesn't agree with you political ideology, too, folks. Just because the design includes a picture of a soldier doesn't mean it's all of a sudden "cool" to hate on it.
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    csmossaid 167 weeks ago

    The Orphan Works Act seeks to eliminate legal confusion over the use of copyrighted works where the copyright holder cannot be contacted or found.

    The Act seeks to recreate the patent system model to do this by requiring content producers of pictorial, graphic, and sculptural works to register their works with the government.

    In essence the elected elite wish to cure confusing legal code with more confusing legal code, which makes this confusing shirt and its confusing explanation by the artist highly ironic.

    Next maybe we can have a shirt about net neutrality.
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    lemcosaid 167 weeks ago

    Wow I thought I could be rough, while I do think the shirt lacks some originality it's still got a strong speak your mind through art kinda message. Does seem like a lot of people on here are judging it on more than just the design which smurfs. And who doesn't like priest Zombies? I mean come on?
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    shantyshawnsaid 167 weeks ago

    csmos, you actually get it. Confused and ambiguous IS the Orphan Works Act. Maybe good, maybe bad. Depends which side of the copyright you're on.

    I come from a fine arts background. My work has done its job if it creates emotion. The more negative the better, because my impetus, is the dark side of man. The more negative the response the more my work is validated. That and I really dig monsters!
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    Kimoppisaid 167 weeks ago

    I don't really like it as a shirt. My initial look interpreted it as having a violent overtone.

    After REALLY looking at the design, I see it's true meaning. But I'd rather not have some guy staring that intently at my shirt to catch the intricacies of its meaning.
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    Crushemsaid 167 weeks ago

    Very very cool! :)
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    jomus001said 167 weeks ago

    meow. Despite the great motivation behind the design (I didn't know about that Act!), the design itself is a bit bland, not much stands out ...

    And as far as "The more negative the response the more my work is validated" goes, I wouldn't say that negative responses/constructive criticism is one and the same as the "dark side of man." Seems like a strange parallel to draw. :-/

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    ishmaelonesaid 167 weeks ago

    i'm not gonna buy this shirt, but it confounds me how so many people can be so universally against it. last week there was a shirt with basically a big tiger face, and it was almost universally praised, even by many who claimed to dislike animal prints! this guy meanwhile tries something, maybe he doesn't quite achieve the goal but at least he's trying for something. timothy mcveigh? did you even look at the shirt design for more than 3 seconds?

    most designs i'm usually immediately drawn to or turned off of. this one i had to sit and look. good job to the artist, and to everyone else, can you say "mob mentality"? so often it seems like one comment on a shirt sparks a million copycats, and the views exponentially become more extreme.

    anger issues? really? i mean, REALLY?
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    EdwardBlakesaid 167 weeks ago

    Alright, after reading the comments, I appreciate the message. Although I still don't the artistic style. Also, I find the first shirt to the right to be humorous. NOW, that shirt, I'd buy.
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    bkentsaid 167 weeks ago

    I'd probably buy it if it were a poster.
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    greasebatsaid 167 weeks ago

    illegally dead, nice comments..so true. The artist is correct, Basil Gogos rules.
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    stablercakesaid 167 weeks ago

    Honestly, I don't have any idea how to feel about this one. I guess that's a good thing because I've had to stare at it for a long while to take it all in. I appreciate the message and I think without the soldier at the bottom and some compositional changes, it could be a more successful, if more subtle, shirt. The linework on everything save the stars and soldier is very nicely rendered, but the soldier looks last minute and the stars are just tacky.

    No-buy for me this time, but I'm astounded at all the negativity. Seems like the TeeFury followers don't WANT thought in artwork. If it's not a thrown together amalgamation of shoddy graphic design, a realistic rendering of a wild animal, or a bird drawn by someone whose work looks like they started their art career last week, it MUST be trash.

    Finally, I HATE that the print is on a sand color for girls. You can't even see the stripes.

    ...I love that one of the priest.
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    torij9said 167 weeks ago

    Well done. Not something I'd wear, but I like the concept. I think if it was just the soldier, I'd go for it. I tend to enjoy simpler/subtler images. Cool idea though. Good luck with sales.
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    WishfulShadow22said 167 weeks ago

    i wish people would take a closer look at this one. it seems they're judging it without trying to understand it. and i don't get the comment about this shirt being "right-wing" american. as i understand it, the art suggests that an artist is a kind of soldier, or that art is a powerful weapon, or that war is not the answer and art is. how could that be taken negatively? the concept is great, and with the exception of the nautical stars, i think the execution is as well. if it weren't on a sand colored shirt (which ruins the design), i would buy this one. kudos to the artist--nice work.

    peace
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    sorrowdemonicasaid 167 weeks ago

    lol, silly people.
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    desertimportedsaid 167 weeks ago

    I think this piece finds itself way more clever than it really is.
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    illegallydeadsaid 167 weeks ago

    WishfulShadow22: I say that it looks "right-wing" only because, at first glance (and without taking ANY time to actually appreciate the art and message) you see a soldier and an American flag. That is enough to be considered "right-wing" these days it seems, and bashing the "right-wing" is totally cool now or whatever.

    I totally agree that this would make a better poster than a shirt. It has enough details that it really is too much for a shirt, where others only get a short burst of time to take in everything.
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    wottosaid 167 weeks ago

    Hey everybody.
    I guessed this shirt would cause controversy and because Shawn is a big tough guy I'm gonna let this one ride out. If you don't get the shirt that's fine, if you get it and you don't like it, that's fine too. All I ask is that you keep the comments constructive and think before you type.
    You may think this shirt has no place here but the sales figures tell a different story.
    Have a great day people and try to play nice.
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    wottosaid 167 weeks ago

    PS - This is what Teefury should be about, discussing/debating art. Not everyday, obviously but once in a while is good.
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    ya2sabessaid 167 weeks ago

    @ishmaelone and @wotto: i agree.

    Had to look at it twice, but it's a nice design.
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    daveconreysaid 167 weeks ago

    Too many mixed messages here for my taste. I really can't tell what this design is trying to say? Is it anti-military/government or is it pro-art?

    For the record, if you hanging an American flag vertically, the stars always go on the upper left, not the upper right.
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    Starsaid 167 weeks ago

    I can't wait to see tomorrow's shirt!
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    Renaesaid 167 weeks ago

    I really hate the girl's color, and doesn't give the design nearly enough justice. I do agree with others, though. It is a bit too detailed to make a great T-shirt.
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    moral savvysaid 167 weeks ago

    Couldn't have said it much better than illegallydead. As far as I've ever read comment wise on the tees here on this site the people who post here absurdly left-wing but somehow still completely close-minded and tend to shun anything that isn't trendy, an animal, or made of ultra-bright acid trip colors.

    Honestly, I like the meaning behind the shirt. While it obviously takes the standpoint of the cause mentioned by the artist in the right hand column the shirt itself also gives off a subtle right-wing appearance which - frankly - is rather bold considering how absolutely heinously hateful democrats have become these days.

    So, bravo to you sir for being daring enough to put a soldier with a "violent undertone" on a tee-shirt, and bravo to you teefury for selecting the design and remaining open minded! However, I can't help but agree that the girl's color is a bad pick for the design itself as it kills some of the detail. It won't be a buy for me, though primarily because I don't have the money (yet again!), but also because I'm a girl and the design lacks without the fine detail of the flag behind it.
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    everydaysupermansaid 167 weeks ago

    I'll pass on this one, if for nothing else, for the fact that the flag in the background is hung wrong. It's a pet peeve of mine when people don't know how to display the flag of their own country. The blue field always goes in the upper left corner, chief.
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    shantyshawnsaid 167 weeks ago

    Wotto's right. I'm a tough guy and I usually don't defend, or explain my work much, if at all. I don't do art to make nice, nice. I do it to send a message. My basic premise is that as evolved as we've made our human world, we're still prey to our basic desires and instincts and we have a unfathomable capacity for hate. A lot of you have proven that here. My parallel is made jomus001.

    As far as the flag hanging wrong. I'm a vet and an ex-drill sergeant. I know it's hanging wrong, so's the constitution of the United States, as well as the political system. The government has perverted it beyond recognition and it is confusing at best, just like the Orphan Works Act and my shirt design. DaveConrey, your comment is exactly what I intended.

    illeagallydead, moral savvy and the like, "Liberal IS the new right wing."

    Thanks Wotto and Tee Fury for showing art. BUY ONE and support Tee Fury and it's belief in the 1st Amendment. (Set to America the Beautiful.)

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    jecrtsaid 167 weeks ago

    I LOVE that this shirt is being lambasted for it's "violent" imagery, yet it only contains art supplies. Hilarious.

    I think this shirt looks great! Nice work Shawn!
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    smittenkittensaid 167 weeks ago

    It's nice to see a design that gets people talking.
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    w3sl3ymill3rsaid 167 weeks ago

    The "Join the Fight" font looks a little like an afterthought. Bought it anyway though :)
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    putlingsaid 167 weeks ago

    First I gotta say I'm feelin' some serious pride for my home town here with this shirt - great work, Shawn.

    I've been buying tees here for a couple months and this is the first time I've wanted to make a comment. The whole first wave almost always seem to be from the "Gargamel" crowd who seemingly hang around at midnight just to get to the top of the list. That kinda motivation speaks for itself to me. There have been a bunch of designs here that to me look like generic photoshop brush noodling with some cribbed cut & paste stuff thrown in, and they haven't been to my liking, but to just jump in and slam them for the sake of slamming them seems pointless and non-constructive.

    I agree that it's easy to have a knee-jerk reaction to this shirt and see it as militaristic or 'violent' (I'm still trying to figure out the "stars are tacky" comment) but the depth of thought and the message underlying it would seem to be exactly what Tee Fury is all about: speaking out, protecting artistry and supporting the independence voice.

    In any case, I like having a shirt out there that might actually make someone stop, *really* look & think 'bout what they're seeing. I've seen enough random animal shirts on here to last me. The one constructive criticism I'd totally agree with is that the lighter color for the woman's shirt doesn't do the design justice ('cause you do seem to lose the stripes). Again, kudos to ya Shawn, and rock on to Tee Fury for not only making original work available to the masses (we are the masses, aren't we? just checking...) but for having an open forum for discussions like this.

    Cheers!
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    traci21gsaid 167 weeks ago

    I've been slaughtered for stating my opinions on this website before. So if you don't want to hear what everyone else has to say don't say anything. I was pissed/sad for days after i posted on here. I'll never leave a positive or negative comment on here again. Sorry for those of you that have been hated on today. i feel for you.
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    missjuliesaid 167 weeks ago

    Interesting statement and design, but I feel like its almost *too* hidden. Glad you posted an explanation, otherwise I'd just have a big ? Very clever indeed. ^_^
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    timmhensonsaid 167 weeks ago

    its the model. everyone becomes a hater when they use the blond girl. ha!
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    volcomjz11said 167 weeks ago

    i dont think its the model i dis like the beige color with the graphic you loose the drips fades into the backround
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    goodgraveysaid 167 weeks ago

    I'm only sad really because it looks really really hard to see somehow for me. ;; But it's a very nice design in general, the layout reminds me more of a print really! Very rectangular. I like the thorny swirls in there!

    Good message too. I've personally worried about the act since I have so much stuff up on diffrent sites. I'll have to read more about it though since all I've heard is hear-say!

    LOVE that zomie-ish gamer guy! ha!
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    winds0nlyfriendsaid 167 weeks ago

    i like it! although its something i would rather have as a poster not a t-shirt. it also reminds me of nine inch nails' "art is resistance" and i like the propaganda-ish look to it, so basically what im trying to say is its pretty rad. and i love the zombie gamer guy!
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    BeeryMethodsaid 167 weeks ago

    Absolutely great motive behind this design. For those of you still in the fog on the Orphan Works Bill you definitely need to get with the program. Unfortunately there is not a whole lot creatives can do but join the fight by creating awareness, write the senate or state senator, or make kick ass-mind bending designs such as this. Mad props to Shawn. I totally agree there needs to be more thought-provoking and motivating designs here. Its tough enough as it is in the Capitalistic state of free-thinking...even for time-honored artists...this is not the EU so stand up and fight!
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    jomus001said 167 weeks ago

    I'm sure the comments on this page, despite some of the very ignorant and cursory ones, do NOT represent the "unfathomable hate of mankind." I'm sorry but I still don't see it, but you do so that is all that matters.

    Everybody here feels like something of theirs is being threatened. Whether it be there comments, their artwork, or their political orientation. Yay tension! At least the conversations are entertaining, albeit some of them are a bit militantly obstinate.
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    neutralkatesaid 167 weeks ago

    Ingenious design. Extremely multi layered.

    It's ironic that some people are lambasting your shirt for being too "right wing". If anything, the protection of the arts usually falls into the liberal political agenda.

    I do feel as if this works better as a poster, though. It's too elaborate for a t-shirt, especially since it can be quickly misinterpreted as anti-military by some (with the inclusion of the word "fear") and pro-violence by others.

    It is truly a work of art, and one of protest.
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    Mandazsaid 167 weeks ago

    Ooh, I might get this. My husband is in the Navy and I'm an artist, so that makes it fit kinda perfect haha.
    The only thing that is bugging me is the font used for the 'Join the Fight' part, but that's just a nitpick.

    I also prefer the girl's shirt color to the guys, I think the grey is too dark so it clashes a tiny bit with the bluish grey of the image! Except that you can't see the lighter stripes on the girls... hmm
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    icecubesaid 167 weeks ago

    Interesting design but too boxy for me.
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    memyself&Isaid 167 weeks ago

    If I were to see someone wearing this shirt I would interpret it as a nice satirical piece. It (sort of) puts an oddly fun twist on the idea of war (if that's possible). I think that the soldier and his gear should be bigger and the main focus of the shirt. In fact, without the convoluted stuff all around him this shirt would be totally fantastic in either color and the humor would be more obvious.
    When I first joined this site I did not understand how people could get so upset with some of the designs UNTIL, that is, I saw one that completely insulted my intelligence as a consumer, and completely misrepresented an entire archeological culture. I don't see how this shirt could incite more than a good laugh though. (?)
    Also, I find it completely American in every way b/c we are free to express whatever we want in the USA even if it pisses others off and I suppose that makes me like this shirt even more. :D
    So, Cool and kudos.
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    memyself&Isaid 167 weeks ago

    Haha...So, I just thought..."love it, or hate it, at least we get to say it!" Gotta love TeeFury for the comment section. :D
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    adiamierdesaid 167 weeks ago

    Wow dudes, maybe you people that like to ridicule tees should make your own...and stop pissing on someone else's work. That might actually be productive. Progressive. Something.
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    Reijnsaid 167 weeks ago

    I'm going to the bank right after classes to deposit enough money to buy this shirt. I'm not a fan of the design or the style, but as a fellow artist this is something that "we" all need to support I will wear this on campus and at gallery openings. I was actually talking to a fellow artist/classmate of mine at the bar the other night about this very same topic. The outcome of the AP vs Shepard Fairey case will effect artists' rights for a very long time. This is something that we need to stand up and rally behind.

    What people do not understand is that the creative process and the creative mind acts and develops a lot differently than those of the business world or the science world. The idea of the unspoken "creative license" is something that is not definitively defined. This is a problem. This is why artists get into trouble.

    I believe that academic artists should have to take marketing, technical writing, law writing classes, and art gallery internship. These will help artists to take care of themselves in the big bad world. ^_^

    Either way, the point of my rant is that I am not a huge fan of the shirt, not my style, but I am going to buy it because of the political aspect. It truly is something that "we" need to rally behind.
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    sarahvanessasaid 167 weeks ago

    LOVE the eagle holding the spray can and brushes...nice design but too much goin on in it for me--that frankenstein painting on the side tho is INSANE!!!
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    dreamcatchersaid 167 weeks ago

    For those who say that the shirt haters are left winged, i kind of disagree, I'm really conservative and this shirt struck me as a left winged satire of conservative propaganda especially with the spread and create FEAR (saying we create fear to justify war). So i was a little insulted as a right wing supporter and i wouldn't buy this shirt, i don't think the explanation of the artist relates to the design at all... sorry. just to be clear illegallydead being free and open-minded has nothing to do with buying and wearing shirts that contradict your views (political religious, whatever...)
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    rahmer81said 167 weeks ago

    This is easily the best shirt I've seen on here in over a month. Instead of portraying stupid monsters and other random fantasies (no offense to those artists, it's just not my style at all), this shirt actually conveys a positive message. I think it portrays the classic "the pen is mightier than the sword" saying. I can't believe the negative comments about this shirt; stupid people never fail to amaze me.

    I also agree with whoever said this design would make a sweet poster, and the girl colors do kind of smurf! Haha! Lucky for me, I'm a guy. I'm probably going to buy this. Nice work Shawn Conn.
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    stewy17said 167 weeks ago

    I don't care what everyone else says. I like it and I'm buying!
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    illegallydeadsaid 167 weeks ago

    dreamcatcher: The only point I was trying to make with that is that "open-minded" people tend to espouse freedom to make and do whatever you want, but will immediately rip on something that is contradictory to their political point of view. It has nothing to do with actually buying or wearing the shirt or anything, just the fact that people shot the design down as "Timothy-McVeigh-esque", which is absolutely ridiculous. It has to do with being accepting of and judging the art for the art itself, not JUST the political message that comes across from it, like I said, without any amount of time to appreciate it. The message is anything BUT "right-winged" when you actually spend more than 2 seconds looking at everything that is going on...
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    dcastle8183said 167 weeks ago

    gotta love all the controversy. If you take off the verbiage "Join the Fight" you have one extremely bad ass design!
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    Cniorsaid 167 weeks ago

    The design is a well thought out design and I do like the message. But the COLORS...
    (as you have read)
    Do like the design though.
    Keep it up.
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    dreamcatchersaid 167 weeks ago

    illegallydead i think we've officially come to an agreement. lol its deff. not right wing, and the artwork itself is very well done...shawn, i hope none of this commentary is offending you
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    shantyshawnsaid 167 weeks ago

    Not at all dreamcatcher! I love when my art creates controversy and reaction, negative and positive. Like Wotto pointed out, I'm a big boy. Art was never intended to be liked by all, especially when that art has a political meaning attached. Whenever an artist creates a political piece, he's painting a target on himself, so he better be damn ready to take the hits.

    I feel accomplished and a lot of what I was trying to convey in the piece has been reflected in the comments here, the good, bad and yes, the confused. I'm stoked!

    I thank everyone for their comments and for remembering that we can do that in this country. Other countries aren't so lucky.
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    moral savvysaid 167 weeks ago

    Honestly you guys it isn't right or left wing when genuinely considered - it just appears to be right wing at a glance because of the (I think someone else said this) propaganda-esque feel to the design and the soldier set in the forefront of it along with the flag and the stars yadayada. Art and the defense of art isn't right or left winged kids, just because it has art supplies in the place of weaponry doesn't mean that it is satirical / against war, rather, in fact I think it might even be a stretch to say that it is implying the pen is mightier than the sword; with the information provided for us by the artist himself I think its more leaning toward implying that the artist is the soldier (showed by the art supplies) and that the bill is what s/he is fighting.

    Shawn - Sure do wish I could agree with you on the "right wing IS the new Liberal" thing but unfortunately I can't. I think there is no new liberal anything, being liberal minded is practically dead in this country because (almost) none of us are willing to accept anything but what we think is right and in our righteousness are determined to inflict our rightness upon everyone else. Democrats and republicans alike. D:
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    shantyshawnsaid 167 weeks ago

    You're right moral savvy. And I don't mean right as in right wing =~)
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    bietzsaid 167 weeks ago

    First shirt I've purchased in months. Nice work.
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    dudley53said 167 weeks ago

    Shantyshawn has given all of us the opportunity to get to know this community. It's nice that we have opinions from all over the place, as long as we're respectful.
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    illegallydeadsaid 167 weeks ago

    I too agree that it is nice seeing everyone's opinions and viewpoints here. Having the comment section makes this a great website.

    The shirt is definitely growing on me. I'm going back and forth on whether I want this or no :) I guess for $9 it can't hurt, especially when it goes to an artist that I can actually converse with, lol
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    memyself&Isaid 167 weeks ago

    Moral savvy, not everyone who sees the shirt will have the benefit of reading the illustrators motives for creating the design. If you are just looking at it...it could be interpreted as satirical. No disrespect intended to the purpose/cause/artist. I just think about how the shirt will be interpreted by the general public; that may not have had the opportunity of reading the "Word from the Curator". It puts things in a different perspective. The addressee is not always well informed; as only 15% of the general public is college educated and most people seem to be interpreting things from a very topical perspective. I think of that when buying a piece of art b/c many a person will offer their input when it is not asked for or even welcomed.
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    Reijnsaid 167 weeks ago

    memyself&I: in my opinion, when a person sees your t-shirt and is not sure what it stands for, is where a conversation starts. It is then the wearer's responsibility to explain what they are wearing. Its a good way to get the word out. In other words, the artist of this shirt has achieved his objective...informing the general public.

    You could be surprised to how much of the general public participates in city sponsored artistic events.
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    _greenjellosaid 167 weeks ago

    too bad people have no concept of what constructive criticism means, or how to execute it.
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    photophusionsaid 167 weeks ago

    boo i really liked the message. but not a fan of color and the design. :-/
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    memyself&Isaid 167 weeks ago

    Not everyone who sees my shirt will talk to me. Not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing. :D
    Nothing surprises me. :D
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    GeriMarssaid 167 weeks ago

    I just discovered that I don't like comparing or associating art and creativity with fighting and warfare. I do, however, love Tee Fury and the shirt I received from your company a few days ago, being very impressed with the quality. I look forward to buying more.
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    jaydsaid 167 weeks ago

    This shirt is awesome. I definitely also like how many people here have very negative reactions, and I fully hope that I get some of those when I wear the shirt too. Thats conversation fodder.

    However, I do agree that the shirt color for the womens tee is poorly chosen.
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    Garthsaid 165 weeks ago

    How can I buy one?